Episode 1 of How I Met Your Monster has hosts Zach and Danny meeting one of the ultimate horror movie villains - Ghostface! Wes Craven's meta horror movie franchise, Scream, gave us one of cinema's greatest slashers and this podcast discusses the different ways that the seminal director introduced us to Ghostface time and time again.
Episode 1 of How I Met Your Monster has hosts Zach and Danny meeting one of the ultimate horror movie villains - Ghostface! Wes Craven's meta horror movie franchise, Scream, gave us one of cinema's greatest slashers and this podcast discusses the different ways that the seminal director introduced us to Ghostface time and time again.
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We should preface this episode by saying everyone should come having watched the movie. Yeah, I think that's heavy spoilers in this episode. yeah. If you haven't seen Scream one through four and you still want to listen to this, I would recommend watching. So what also helps to, I should say, it also helps to watch a lot of other horror movies that it's referencing so that you can kind of be in on some of the humor.
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Yeah, absolutely. Not necessarily, but it definitely heightens the experience. Yeah, it definitely gets another layer to the Scream franchise. But basically what you need to do is come back and watch and listen to this episode in about four years after you take some classes on film history, take some classes and sign up for a master class, take Ron Howard's programs, just like learn all you can know about it, get all the references, make them go back.
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Then you'll get it. Exactly. Yeah. You want to make a movie, right? A movie? Get into Hollywood, start your career, then revisit it. You'll appreciate it. That's right. You're listening to How I Met Your Monster, a podcast that explores the introductions to your favorite movie, Monsters. My name's Zack. I'm Danny. And I'm Casey. And together we dive into the world of horror to find out how filmmakers have introduced us to our favorite monsters time and time again.
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This is how I met your mother.
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You okay? We met him 15 years ago. I was told there's nothing less explorers in the region and experience demons to solve angels to others. He didn't call me.
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Hi, everybody. Welcome to the first episode of How I Met Your Monster. I'm Zack Authentic. I'm Danny Selim, and we are filmmakers who love horror. We love talking horror. We love watching horror. And we love making monsters. And we like meeting them. And that's what we're going to do in this podcast. We're going to meet our favorite monsters.
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Today we're going to be talking about Scream. Best movie ever. Is it Wes Craven's best movie? it's, I would say, personally speaking, it's my favorite that he's directed. that's tough, though. City of, like, nightmare. And, New nightmare. People under the stairs. People on the Say good. Yeah. No, but I would. I'm going to stand by it because I'm obsessed with the Scream franchise.
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And I would say, Yeah, I think I actually. I actually think Curse is Wes Craven's best movie. I secretly kind of love cursed. Every time I put it on, I'm like, I feel like it was kind of fun the last time I watched it and I'll put it on. It is, but it's just so I always forget how over-the-top it is.
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But I love that. So it's kind of become like a guilty pleasure of mine. I don't think I've ever seen it the whole way through, really, but I know that it was just like it was just like a shit show. behind the scenes, we kind of talked about that, didn't we? About how Heather Langenkamp was actually in the original version of first.
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Yeah. And there was like, like Skeet Ulrich was like a main character and he's just like, straight up cut. Like, I saw footage of him. If you go on YouTube, you can look it up and it's like a behind the scenes footage of them, like acting out scenes. And his it was just it's gone. It's it's doesn't exist anymore.
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It's crazy how that happens because they must have spent a lot of money. That's what's crazy about it. I mean, like, how bad could it have been? And I doubt it was bad for them to feel like they had to like, I don't know. Right. Basically start over. Well, and that's the thing. Like with Wes Craven. Look at his filmography.
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Yeah. So I wouldn't imagine that Wes this movie was bad. No, I would imagine that all the studio interference because they wanted it to be like a teen movie, which is such a shame. I want to read up more on it because I want to see like or maybe just find out like what prompted the changes. Like what was it that made it so necessary to, like, do such a big overhaul?
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Yeah, you know, because that's the serpent and the rainbow. Okay. I've never seen Serpent in the Rainbow. No, no, I know, I. When I was a kid, I would always see the cover of it at, like, Blockbuster. And for some reason, this shit out of me. Yeah, Same. It's so crazy. I always thought it was a vampire movie, too.
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I thought he was like, like a vampire coming out. I always thought it was. I was. His picture on the cover was like a kid. It was like a 12 year old kid or something. And then when I realized it was Bill Pullman, like, okay. And once it of. That's it. Yeah. I don't know why it's funny.
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I was watching a documentary, I think it was on Wes Craven, and they talk about the movie a lot. So like, I know all this, like random trivia about the making of the movie, but yeah, for whatever reason, I just never sat down and put it up. Yeah, stupid. But they were talking about scream. Me are Ghostface and the many characters who have warned that Ghostface Mask.
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We should be talking about Gale Weathers Hair in part three. I give gale Weathers hair a pass because she is get weathers. Well, it is pretty silly. It is silly. It's become iconic though. Yeah. So I'll give it for the. But is it for the right reasons. I have to say I think it's had a I think if they had brought that hairstyle back for part five fans would be very excited.
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So I feel like people like sort of like hate to love it, you know, I don't. Yeah. And, you know, it might not even be her hair that bugs me. Part three just bugs me in general. Yeah, because it's basically a Scooby Doo episode. Right. And which I don't think you know, which I don't hate these. I love Scooby Doo, though.
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Like, there is part of me that kind of loves like this. Sort of. Like, they're really not. I don't say cartoonish, but over the top, like sort of whodunit sort of. But it's yeah, it's fun. But I totally understand that criticism. Well, one thing for me is if if I'm remembering right, their characters, especially Gale Weathers, like it doesn't line up with the rest of the series.
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No, I mean, you have one scene where literally you have a cameo from Jay and Silent Bob. So it's like right away you're just sort of like out of the movie. The movie's becoming so meta that it's now it's just sort of like in on its own joke, you know? So that I think I mean, I think feel like that's how a lot of people feel is like that's the worst that just hurts the movie.
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But so you have to like, learn to appreciate it for different qualities or it's sort of like campy in a way. Like it's it's like silly and it's like, okay, this is the movie that's like the entry that did that. It's the ugly duckling of the. Yeah, exactly. And sometimes ugly duckling. Isn't that ugly? If you just. Yeah, you might become beautiful.
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Swan look at it differently. So right off the bat, I guess we'll just jump into this. We're going to meet the monster. Hell, yeah. Ghostface. Ghostface. So one thing I was noticing that I hadn't really thought of before, but Scream one just starts. yeah, Before that. Before the title's even off the screen. There's the phone call, and you hear.
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You hear the villain. You don't know who it is at first, but you hear the villain. It's like he's like the second line of dialog in the whole movie. Yeah, It's just like it's really just starting off on a phone call. It's so normal. But yeah, there's that sense of urgency jumping into it where it's like, right away, like, something's wrong.
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Yeah, just from the first frame. Yeah, it's just. And like, the house itself is. I was watching some behind the scenes thing or documentary, and they were talking about how they wanted they specifically wanted a house with a lot of windows to make it super vulnerable. So the idea to have like one or possibly depending on how you map out like who killed who in the movies to killers, they're in that opening scene.
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So like, once you really step back, it's so disturbing. This girl's like in the middle of nowhere. It's like glass house to, like, psychotic killers are just, like, waiting outside. It's creepy. It's like, crazy. Yeah. Great opening. I watched so many videos on YouTube of, like, how the killers mapped out, which makes me sound crazy, but, like, I'm just, like, so fascinated by that.
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Well, apparently Wes Craven had it when they were in costume. Would have them do have certain mannerisms. So there are differences between the killers, even when they're like, for example, like and I don't know how this is like something you can confirm, but like whenever Stu goes to kill someone, he, like raises his arms up in the air with the knife and then brings it down to like you see it later on in the movie, and then you see it when he chases Sidney through the house.
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So it kind of gives you a little bit of an idea of who is who. But I love that Wes Craven actually took the time to, you know, do that. Yeah, I'll have to look for that. But like one of the things and I might be getting ahead of myself here, but and this might be psychotic as well.
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But I love, like, when he finally catches up to Casey. Drew Barrymore's character. And when he gets her outside, he doesn't just stab her like he knows where he's going. Yeah. You know, it's like he looks for a certain spot before he goes in, which is just, you know, I don't know. It gives another level of ickiness.
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Does he stab her in such a way to, like, keep her from being able to talk? Or do you think so when he jokes her, I was I was always like, am I overthinking this? Yeah. that's a good point. Because like you said, though, like, he's like, looking for the right spot to stab her. So I feel like it would be up higher, but I have no idea.
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Yeah, pretty disturbing. Makes it that much creepier. And like, it is like it's all staged out. Like he knows exactly what he's doing. Like you said. The first time we see Ghostface is not a. I don't know, It's kind of like a little jump scare. But it's not, like, a big deal. You barely see him.
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We are. When? This is. When he spins around. When do? Very rare, like. Like Pixar head up and like. Well, no, we actually see him. You see him either you see him twice before. like when he runs past where he. He doesn't. Yeah. He runs past the doorway and then you see him when she's outside and she peeked in the window and he's like looking around the house and he runs.
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That's and then, but those are real quick. And so then you see the close up of him the first time when she is hiding under the window and she picks up and he's in there, which is kind of weird because if he's looking the other way, how did he know to turn around like that? Exactly. Like we're you know, it's one thing for him to be staged, but it's like moments like that or that are just like, I love that moment, though.
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I just love Drew Barrymore scream. I love like we see the mask close up for the first time. And it's so, like simple, you know, you think of like Wes Craven, you think of like, just like, very disturbing, grisly, sort of like, looks like Ghostface is just, like, so clean and, like, just this, like, simple storyboard costume. Yeah.
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Kind of makes even more, like, intimidating because it's like, anyone could have gotten that. There's actually a name for the Ghostface costume that you see later in the movie, and it's not called Ghostface, you know. It's called I think I do. I think it's Father Death. Yeah. Yeah. According to IMDB trivia, you are correct, sir. Well. Yeah. I wonder where Ghostface came from because I never called him Ghostface growing up, I would always just be like the killer.
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So apparently the Ghostface mask was first developed for novelty stores by a company called Fun World. This I've definitely seen in one of those documentaries, so. Okay, This is I mean, I don't know all the specifics, so but for the most part, this checks out well, the the mask was apparently first known as the peanut. I'd go naturally.
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And the final design was approved by Fun Worlds World's vice president at the time. Let's see. And I know they had and I believe the crew tried to essentially kind of mimic the mask and like, make their own version until they realized they're like, no, the one we saw is like, that's the look. That's the one. So in the movie, I think definitely in the opening scene, they use one of the older masks.
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That's why it looks a little different later on. Okay. Well, it changes throughout the series. Doesn't. yeah. It gets very sleek by the end of it. Not like totally different than the original look, but like, if you look at it side by side, like there are some stark differences. And then and then in the show, they make that whole different direction in the first season.
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my gosh, I forgot about the show. I never watched the show. They're very different. Like, I don't know if I ever mentioned that, but I was like, everyone would know if I was the killer because I had such a big head. When I wear, I remember there's a picture of me as a kid just off as go See.
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So I was like ten or whatever. And I just have like this massive head, like protruding through the back part. It was like, that's Disney. It's like you're in a line up of all these guys. It's like they all have normal heads and you have a huge head. It's like, I recognize that head, like blocking out some of the light a lot when during the chase.
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So, okay, let's take a listen here. Wes Craven's Scream. Hello? Hello? Yes. Who is this? Who are you trying to reach? What number is this? What number are you trying to reach? I don't know. Well, I think you have the wrong number. Do I? It happens. Take it easy. Who's doing it? Hello? I'm sorry. I guess I dialed the wrong number.
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So why did you dial it again? To apologize. You're forgiven by now. Is such a Drew Barrymore thing to say. I want to tell you what figures they've gotten. I know it's. It's like. It seems like such an awkward line to read, but she just makes it sound natural. I don't think that would happen today. No, I would get a text and just ignore it.
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BLOCK the number? Yeah. I'd be the most convenient victims. Potential spam call. I'm like, reporting it to Apple. Like, this number keeps coming through. Apple calls you back. They're like, Wait a second. The killer inside Chicago is coming from inside the house. yeah. They wouldn't know it was a killer. It was coming from inside the house. my gosh.
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Have you ever seen Black Christmas? yeah. I watched the original and I just recently watched the remake. The guy's voice in Black Christmas on the other end of the phone line is so creepy. Now, from what I remember, he's sort of like, It's deep, right? I'm trying to. I haven't seen it. I know. I think I don't know if it starts out deep or not, but I just remember it gets like it's almost like a pig squealing.
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And he says, Remember that at all? He's saying these things about like, mommy and this. And he gets like, sexual about stuff. But like, his voice is just very. I'm going to streaming. I might have to rewatch that because that for some reason that's going over my head. Yeah. All right. Yeah. It's like I don't like it.
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Hello? well, who is this star? What are you. What are you doing? This bad?
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I did it for you, for God's sake. What are you doing? I know, I know. I, I, I This happened really? You know, we didn't even talk about the first time we see Billy Loomis. yeah, I guess I would make. Which is really the first time. Well, first of all, for either villain. Yeah, Yeah, the first time we meet the monster, so to speak, in person, in the flesh is in Sydney's bedroom when Billy climbs through the window.
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Yeah, Which is like, a little too. Yeah. Around St Glenn. Very bloody bed. Really bad. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, Skeet Skeet was always kind of. I like him as an actor, but he's kind of sleazy. super sleazy. But that was the actor or that character. God. I seen him in interviews. He seems pretty. He's very quiet.
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From what? It seems like a pretty cool dude. He actually didn't seem like really like that. I mean, played a similar character in the craft, so I could see, like, the reputation. Yeah, I guess I shouldn't say that Skeet is, but he's got that quality. He's got the quality that he makes it look natural. Everything that's like a compliment.
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Right, Right. Yeah. No, he's super creepy. He's really good with, like, menacing stares. And I love how they don't even like, I love how the fun of it is that they sort of never shy away from highlighting him as a potential killer. Right. Like, look how creepy this dude is right away. Yeah, It's like, so. And then for them to, like, disprove it later because he's like, how?
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You know, like, they couldn't prove that he was there. And then it's kind of like the double twist and then try to fake his death at the end and then come back. And Billy's just like, step, step over em. Night Shyamalan Yeah, he's lazy. A layered plot, guys. Yeah, he's like, talking to Stu, and she's like, And then I'm going to go upstairs and then you can you come in and then I'll have a fake blood pack underneath me.
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So that'll squirt blood. He's like, we the right time. He's sitting next to me in this side of the room right now. That's funny. I feel a very complicated character. He's very upset about what happened to lead him to doing all these killings, But he's very organized. Just wait till you hear me talk about life being a movie and then coming here.
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That's your cue. He's like, Don't cut me off. He's like, you know, he's like, when he. You just stand outside. Hopefully no one passes by. Hopefully there's no no drunk kids in these. The bathroom. Yeah, there was just Ghostface is leaning he's like ears pressed against it. Yeah. Like looks at me and every now and then. Yeah. Yeah.
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He, he gets down on all fours, he's like looking under the door just to see like where's Billy. Like, okay, they're in the right position. Okay. Yeah. So Ghostface has already been busy before we even see him. He's gotten his boyfriend tied up outside. Steve, the first victim in the Scream franchise, which I feel like, you know, a lot of people overlook.
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They think of it as, my gosh, Yeah. Debra okay. But wait a second. Wait a second. Was Steve the first victim in the Scream franchise or was Sidney's mom Sidney's mom? Yeah, right. Maureen Pascal Yeah. So that makes sense, actually, because remember, in part two, it seems to be like copycat killers, at least for some of it.
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And they mentioned how the first two characters who die have Maureen in one of their names and Steven in the other one. So like, okay, they're considering Maureen and Steven technically as the first kills. Is this because it's supposed to be like C.C. Cooper, who's the Sarah Michelle Gellar character? okay. So yeah, you're right. It's I was wrong.
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So maybe I like all puppets and, like, know it all. And like, actually Steven was the first killed. So you're saying Steve and Maureen are in the names of the characters at the beginning of part two? Yeah. Which is which You don't find out. Jada Pinkett Yeah, I hate scary movies. I should be studying. You know, I got to by Amy.
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Did I mention that this takes a three free Sandra Bullock is playing right down the street would pay 750 to see some Sandra Bullock shit Does she make it all? But you will sit through a movie called Stan and Helen Mirren. Could be scare primal, you know. So that's how you would It is okay what's a dumb as white movie about some dumb ass white girls getting their white asses Cut the fuck.
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Okay. Yeah. I suppose Sandra Bullock is Ms. ethnicity, right? Well, now all I'm saying is that the horror genre is historical for excluding African-American elements from it. How you get your D in black cinema, It's just a soldier listening. I read my Entertainment Weekly. Okay, I know my Shia read. I read my black B to Homey. She knows her shit.
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Yeah. So scream two. You don't know who the killer is, obviously, but there's too many ghost faces in the in the opening. Yeah. We've got the real Ghostface and the staff. Ghostface. yeah. Yeah. Which is kind of like we had mentioned this before, like that's basically the same. We're like reintroducing Billy and or Stu in that opening scene, right?
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And then we have the kill the official scream to kill her. Yeah, in the bathroom. So one thing I want to know, though, they're just random victims, right? Yes. So, yeah, they are. I mean, they were going to kill someone at the premiere of Stab the early premiere. And so that was a given. And I feel like it's weird because it is sort of it worked out that the two characters just happened to have these, like, references to the original movie to sort of like playing to that copycat killer.
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So it's like, okay, you kind of have to like suspend disbelief a little bit to sort of accept that. But yeah, it's weird. It's like the random but sort of calculated. Yeah. One thing that confuses me, another thing that confuses me, he kills this dude in the bathroom, right? And then he goes straight down next to his girlfriend.
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How does he know? So, okay, so we do see at the end of the movie, we see that Mickey has all this footage because he's like in film class and everything, and he has all this footage of characters that were killed earlier on. So like Gael and Gael and do we find it when they're like trying to find more info about like the killings?
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And you see it's like from like across the street, it's footage of those characters like walking up to the ticket booth and there's even like Sarah Michelle Gellar character when she comes us out of the house. So they're like, they knew enough. Like they knew it. There was like they were staging parts of it. They knew exactly where to go.
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Okay, So he was tracking them. Yeah. Long story short, he is tracking Jesus. It's like going off the rails. I'm explaining, like, what it means to follow someone. Yeah. So we have our first killer and scream to introduce in a bathroom stall. I think that's like a nod to Psycho, if you like. Listen, he's like, talking. He sounds like he's talking to himself and he talks.
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He's like talking to he. He references Mommy, which could be. Well, that's also it could be a psycho thing. It's also a Black Christmas thing again, because he's got that stuff that like he that makes more sense. That's probably like business reference then. So again, in my head, because I didn't remember him talking like that in the movie.
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Sure. But it also I mean, very well could be psycho. He's definitely. No, I think you're definitely on the money with that one. It's he's got a good aim the killer. He's got a very good aim Yeah you're a wall like see through a wall? No. When he's got to presses Europe, hope that he presses a zero. But again that's why I love these movies.
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Maybe he's got like one of those, you know, those like Mission Impossible cameras that go under the door. So little do we know he's been watching this? Yeah. I mean, he does have cameras. Maybe he does have a camera. Yeah, maybe he's got a real and it's like he's got one that's like, hooked over the, over the stall divider.
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What if he just had us living then? But if you heard the drone like, mode or just, like, humming, it's like, so obviously above his character, that would be amazing. So yeah, And then we get Jada Pinkett in that scene. When we really see Ghostface, which I would argue, I don't know, it's one of my favorite kills in the franchise, might be my favorite just because I like the setup, the way it plays out and then how disturbing it is.
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On top of it. Is this opening the part two? Is it top the opening two part one? that's a great question. I mean, the opening half idea, it kind of battling the argument would always be like, well, it's iconic. That's what started everything, right? You know, like you. But part two almost did improve on it in a lot of ways.
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But that maybe improves isn't the right word because that's the kind of like diminish the first one. But like purchases are so fun it's, it has like everything that scream represents like packaged into an opening like into a scene where it's like it's meta. We're getting like references already. It takes place in a movie theater. It's about the last one.
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It's based on a character based on a book that the character wrote. It's just it's so much fun. And then the layering of it, like he gets killed and then like, no one expects the guy, the the killer to dress up as the guy. And of course, it blends in because everyone's already wearing the masks. It's just so clever and so much fun.
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And then by the time it kills her, no one, no notices because everyone sort of thing. It's just so until they all get quiet. Yes. Nobody quite knows. It's like that dead, just like silence in the camera. Just medals on her face. It's so sad. But the the screen playing behind her, just that. man. It's and it's the first time in the Scream franchise that we've gone from a cold opening into the, like, title card, like beaming out of the screen because it's like it's the new font and everything.
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So and you have and that's like one of the best parts is when again, it's horribly sad, but it's just so effective where she dies and it just like holds there for so long and then cuts into that opening title card. And it's so fun. So in a way, like I sometimes feel like I'm like, too loyal to like the idea of the original.
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And then I can't just say yes, I love the second one even more than the first. It's tough. I'll say, All right, I'm going to go on record that I prefer. I like the Scream two opening over Scream one, but by like a thin margin. Okay, So I don't know, man. There's something about it that it's not as believable as the first opening because of all the things that have to happen, like getting the right guy in the bathroom stalled and all that stuff.
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But that's a great point. I don't know. And it's so and it's such an opposite because in the first one, she's alone. There's no one around. Her parents come in at the end, but she's alone in this one, surrounded by people. And it's still just scary. Yeah. So a fun little challenge to give yourself as a writer, to be like, I want to do the exact opposite.
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Like, tonally, it just like the whole setup was just so impressive. Did Kevin Williamson write all four of them? So he wrote the first two and then I believe he had a treatment or an outline for Scream three, which Alan Krueger wrote. And then in Scream four he wrote it, and then Erin Krueger was brought on for changes, though I do not know if they were like making those changes together because in the opening of three, when we meet Ghostface for the third time, it's by two cotton, which I was.
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I remember watching it for the first time and I was so surprised. I don't know why I was surprised, but I was so surprised too, because they finally kind of gave him something to do in part two, which I guess plays into the whole idea of Scream. It's like they ignore. I'm sure they were aware of that too, which is why they killed him.
00;32;49;04 - 00;33;53;21
It's like subverting expectations. Yeah, you want to. He was such a fun character. Little creepy in part two, but it still was just like, interesting. So we're sad to see him go so early. Christine Yeah, the way you it was a simple game. Cotton You should have told me where Sidney was. Now you lose. Yeah, well, I mean, I didn't think Cotton was going to get killed, which makes me scared about between five.
00;33;53;23 - 00;34;31;26
I know. I. I don't think so. Kill off, like, the legacy characters, but I could totally see because of who they have directing it, that they would want to have some, like, unexpected, like, blow out like bloody end for, like central characters. Yeah. And like, if ever there would be like, wow. Factor of a movie where the audience is just stunned, right In the opening scene, I could totally, like, see how they could justify making that choice.
00;34;31;28 - 00;35;09;19
But I have a feeling I don't know. I have a feeling they won't. Well, yeah, because you've got Neve Campbell, Courteney Cox and David Arquette all coming back. You can't have a movie like if you took one of them out of the equation and I mean, like, maybe it would it messes with you. Just the dynamic is so different that you would have to rely on the success of other characters and just hope it works so that you can, like go into the sequel, like with them carrying it or like creating a new dynamic that, yeah, audiences care about.
00;35;09;20 - 00;35;34;10
Like Die Hard fans are cool with, why shouldn't they cool with it? But like, are also just interested in, yeah, I have a theory based on literally nothing, but I thought to kind of play into now. Okay, so this new Scream sequel, I was thinking, you know, I think we had also talked about this to have like what is it going to be commenting on?
00;35;34;10 - 00;36;06;02
You know, like, yeah, the first one, you know, like it covers like the horror movies and then horror sequels, horror trilogies, horror remakes. This one seems like it to me, going after that sort of like legacy sequel that has been really common. It's like Halloween 2018, The New Texas Chainsaw Massacre, Wrong turn. I mean, the list is so long, like where they're just like picking up where they left off and like, pretending the other movies didn't exist, which I feel like would be so fun in the fact that they're calling it Scream would also be like, kind of like hints at the fact that that's the direction they're going.
00;36;06;02 - 00;36;29;18
Because even though it's Scream five, they're kind of doing Halloween 2018 did was like it's the sequel to Halloween, but we're still just going to call it Halloween. So I was thinking that there's like the whole theme throughout the series of, you know, like the bad seed, you know, like, which is like another horror reference where it's like, Sidney is she's kind of haunted by her mother's past.
00;36;29;21 - 00;36;52;13
So I feel like it would only make sense that eventually we would see Sidney as a mother. You know, it's like now she is sort of like in that position. And I was thinking I was like, okay, well, what they could do is, you know, like, one way to go is to have Sidney's child in the movie so that if Sidney did die, at least it would be to sit.
00;36;52;13 - 00;37;30;19
Maybe like she sacrifices herself to save her son or daughter or whoever. Okay. So that it's sort of like she gets this redemption for, like the mother character, you know, or it's like her mother has, like, this reputation. Whereas Sidney, like, I like doing this like major sacrifice as a mother would sort of like, create a nicer, like tone for that, for, like, the franchise, like to kind of like a nice little seal that actually like something fans might at least get behind because it's at least in like, yeah, there's a point to it, you know, to her, you know, as a character into the story.
00;37;30;22 - 00;37;55;05
But I don't know, I might be overthinking it. No, I don't think you were thinking at all. I think, I think if they don't do that, we're just going to be terrible. And she totally could have had a kid in Scream four, which would let her have a teenage kid in this movie. Yeah. You know, because, like, if you want a book to write, not sure you'd bring your kids with you, right?
00;37;55;07 - 00;38;25;13
Right. So maybe that was like, a little. They probably would have mentioned it, though. That's true. With all the life and death situation. I have a kid. Yeah, that's like it just doesn't even bring it up. Maybe she's ashamed, but yeah, the first time we see Ghostface in Scream three, so Scream three as that big epic opening at the car chase in downtown L.A. and Cotton gets that call.
00;38;25;15 - 00;38;48;02
The new voice changer in Scream three. Yeah, you know, only. Yeah, that technically, like, how did they know? By Scream four? Well, yeah. And it's like you have a voice changer. I remember the voice changes we would get. They were like, You could be like a robot or an alien or a mouse or something. Like, How the fuck did they get Cotton's voice?
00;38;48;04 - 00;39;14;22
Yeah, that's where I mean, I feel like it's. They're like a broken record to say that's like one of the elements in Scream three. That's just. It's a little tougher to swallow. Amazon wish they had just it down a little bit where maybe, I don't know they sounded similar like you could like modulate the voice sounds similar, but maybe not exactly like it.
00;39;14;25 - 00;39;43;08
Yeah, because even then that would be like the technology doesn't exist. I don't know. 2000. Yeah, but that's again like. Yeah, it's pretty silly. You really do have to. You have to use Scream three through a different lens to really just have fun with it I think. Yeah, it's, it's exist here. It does not exist in any of the other movies nor does the comedy or the style or the tone.
00;39;43;11 - 00;40;05;02
But. Well, the comedy. Yeah. Yeah. The comedy gets a little crazy in Scream three, and I hope they weren't, like, heading that direction that all horror franchises really go where it's like, bring it in the humor. But then they bring it back in. They level it out in Scream four. Yeah, Scream four is great. I love that movie.
00;40;05;09 - 00;40;38;03
Scream four is really good. Just like speaking of like, introductions to killers, I feel like Scream four at least has the most fun doing it. right. Because you're a let's see your watching a movie where the characters are watching a movie where the characters in that movie are watching another movie which is based on another series of movies, which is based on the first movie in the actual franchise, which is the movie that you're watching.
00;40;38;05 - 00;41;02;28
That's a that's a rabbit sucking kidding me. What? It was so fucking stupid. Pure horseshit. The death of horror right here in front of us. I jumped. Scared me a fucking Facebook killer. You're kidding me, right? I guess now it would be Twitter. That makes more sense. Well, bunch of articulate teens sit around and deconstruct horror movies until Ghostface kills them.
00;41;02;28 - 00;41;32;06
One by one. It's been done to death. The whole self-aware postmodern medic shit. It's like a Fourth Amendment six already. I like the stab movies. They're scarier. It's not aliens or zombies or little Asian Ghost girls. There's something real about a guy with a knife who just snaps. It could really happen. I can do it. The sequels don't know when to stop.
00;41;32;06 - 00;41;59;26
They just keep recycling the same shit. Even the opening scene, there's always some random girl who gets a call. It undoubtedly ends up getting her killed. It's also predictable. There's no element of surprise. You can see everything coming out. Did that surprise you? I remember being so giddy during the opening scene in Scream four because it was so fun.
00;41;59;26 - 00;42;22;03
It's like you want these movies to sometimes, like, push, you know, like just go a little bit, a little crazy sometimes. Scream three maybe did that a little too often. Scream four like has that crazy opening and then sort of like levels itself out, which I think makes it work so it makes it so fun. Scream four is so good at just like throwing you off.
00;42;22;03 - 00;42;47;01
Like all the marketing kind of suggested that the original trio, we're going to like, pass the torch to this new generation. Okay, so like, that alone was so much fun. And like, not only is it a whodunit, it's just kind of like, keep pulling the rug out from underneath you, like with your expectations. So yeah, so the first time we see Ghostface in Scream four, he is in a movie within a movie.
00;42;47;03 - 00;43;22;21
Within a movie, Within a movie. So by the time we get to Scream four, we pretty much know Ghostface. Yeah, we know. Which is funny though that you say that because there has been like, there's like obviously consistency with like the Ghostface voice because he's using a voice changer and because it's an actor doing the voice. But I especially noticed in Scream four that and I might be, I don't know if I'm overthinking it, but you can almost tell which killer is calling because there's like slight differences in the voice.
00;43;22;23 - 00;43;51;13
So I always imagine that in that opening scene it's Charlie calling him or calling her. It's kind of like it's like rasp. You're in a way, I don't know. It just sounds and almost sounds like he's trying to sound menacing. Whereas when Sidney gets phone calls from the killer and it's clearly Jill because she's like the mastermind behind it, it sounds more like classic Ghostface, like a little bit more like refined and confident and like, not trying so hard,
00;43;51;16 - 00;44;20;25
Which I always loved about that. And I don't I don't really know if they do that in the other ones so much, but this one I really noticed. Okay, so we've met our monster and as you know, no monster would be complete without its adversary. A man, Sidney Prescott, you know, a.k.a., never Campbell you are you five, a.k.a. Wild Things, a.k.a The Crab.
00;44;20;27 - 00;45;01;26
That's all I know. A.K.A. Skyscraper. Skyscraper? Yes. With the Rothrock. Yep. really? Yeah. That was a lot of fun to make. But no, I mean, Sidney is. I don't know. She's bad ass, like you said. Yeah. And taking a shit. I feel like she has already sort of been put in that position because of her mom dying to sort of be like, have that survivor mentality so that by the time she does sort of like fight Ghostface, so to speak, she's kind of been like, prepared for it, like she's sure.
00;45;01;26 - 00;45;25;13
And she even like, kind of says it in part three when she's like, I've been through this shit already. Like, I like she just has so much experience already with trauma that it's sort of like, bring it on. Like, yeah, she can handle that. So she's proven it already, right? I mean, that's what I love about Sidney. She's not very I don't know how to say this.
00;45;25;14 - 00;45;51;28
She's it's like she doesn't quite she's fooled easily, you know, because like you said, like it's boyfriend like literally right under her nose and then, you know, like her boyfriend's mother in the sequel where it's like, how did you miss all of this? Like, why Yeah. Who is literally on campus? And then Ryan is like, literally her brother and she doesn't even think, you know what I mean?
00;45;51;28 - 00;46;15;27
To recognize him or there's like and then part four again, like a family member who she's like, Protecting only to find out that she's evil man. Fucked up family. That's. I'm wondering where part five is going to go. It's like the family drama. It's like Sidney's grandmother going to be the killer. I would love that.
00;46;15;29 - 00;46;42;14
How did you feel about the reveals in these movies? Did you like were you like, that's satisfying? Or did you think and want or want someone else to be the killer there? Okay, so part three I didn't care for that reveal. Yeah. Part two. I get it. I can. I can suspend my disbelief. Yeah. Really? Just press three.
00;46;42;17 - 00;47;10;24
Yeah. Or three was one that when we actually meet our monster at the end of the movie, who cares? Yeah. Who are you? Get out of here. Yeah. All they had to do is just sort of, like, incorporate him a little bit more. Yeah. You know, because it's sort of by not having him in the movie that much and then having him as a killer kind of suggests that maybe he wasn't supposed to be the killer, You know, like, it could have been a grab bag of anyone.
00;47;10;26 - 00;47;33;21
Sure. But, yeah, apparently there's supposed to be a third killer. Apparently, Emily Mortimer's the girl who plays Sidney in step three, was also supposed to be his accomplice. Okay. Which I thought would have been so much fun. Like where? It's like, Yeah, Sidney's the killer, but that's, like, their clever way of making Sidney the killer. Yeah. Yeah, it is.
00;47;33;22 - 00;48;06;15
Emily Mortimer is, like, this amazing actress, right? There's a little used in that movie. Yeah, I like her. She's good. Yeah. What is your favorite Ghostface reveal? I would say the my favorite Ghostface reveal is part one. When Casey first sees the mask, because up to that point you really don't know where this is going. Obviously, this scene like promotional material.
00;48;06;17 - 00;48;31;28
So it's just I don't know it like it's clearly a human They're wearing a Halloween costume. There's something very innocent about it, which I feel like kind of plays into why it's so disturbing. So, yeah, I would say my I would say my favorite is the first one. Okay, have a favorites part two and not so much the whole opening as a whole.
00;48;32;01 - 00;48;57;04
I think I might go back to part one for that, but as far as actually seeing those states for the first time, I just love that in in any kind of movie where there's all of there's so many of one thing and you don't know who's who almost. So it's almost like the baskets in Raiders of the Lost Ark.
00;48;57;07 - 00;49;22;08
It's literally like that scene. Yeah. Kevin Williams is like my inspiration for the opening of Scream two. Yeah, you're the basket scene in Raiders of the Lost Ark. And they're like, Get out! No, but I totally get what you're saying. And that's I mean, it's so fun because you keep seeing the character everywhere, right? You keep letting your guard down, like, more and more until eventually you get.
00;49;22;12 - 00;49;47;02
Yeah. I mean, that's the actual one. Yeah. And when we pull into when we actually physically see Ghostface for the first time, the real one, he's like, in that cool action shot, like pulling the knife back and like, it's so aggressive and it's. Yeah. And it's just real quick. Yeah, just there we go. It's pretty badass. My least favorite part three.
00;49;47;05 - 00;50;14;29
Go figure. I don't care for the opening a part three. Yeah, I think that's kind of blah. Part three just frustrates me sometimes because it just seems like it's kind of like pulling back. It's funny we talk about it like it's like this movie that's like all that excess. But then in terms of like those moments that really matter, that you want them to explore a little bit more, That's where it gets pulled back a little bit.
00;50;15;01 - 00;50;35;16
So lose that energy of what could be, you know, it is like a very like action sort of opening. But even like with the reveal of the physical reveal of the killer and the whole idea of like the voice box, like the change there, it just sort of waters everything down. So I agree with you. I would say my my least favorite too is part three.
00;50;35;19 - 00;51;04;19
Yeah, well, better luck next time. Scream three. Sorry. You're fun to rewatch though. I'll give you that. And it's like they're outfits too. Okay, we can't get back here. Sorry it's too late. Everything is just elevated. And, like, this is like, who is the costume designer? What? I don't know. Anyways. Okay, okay, well, that's it for episode one.
00;51;04;22 - 00;51;35;15
Thanks, everyone. I'd say. well, that's another fun thing. Real quick. That's another fun thing about Part Four's opening. It's making fun of itself, clearly. And even to the point that when Anna Paquin gets stabbed and she basically dies and her head falls back, yeah, she makes like this this like very textbook, I guess, death together and like, I think it's on purpose.
00;51;35;15 - 00;51;55;23
It has. this shirt is that's so it's so funny. I also love that you we we wrapped everything up we, like ended the podcast, the episode, and then you're like, wait, So scream four. I love how that's literally like a joke and Scream four when Jill's like, she's like, she's like, the movie was supposed to end at the house.
00;51;55;23 - 00;52;23;19
I mean, this is ridiculous. It's cities like we're considering an alternate ending. But yeah, we're like very on brand. We're just sievert, just as meta as the Scream franchise. Absolutely. All right. So that's it for episode one of How I Met Your Monster. Join us next episode where we are going to meet our favorite doll, Chucky. So look for links to episode two on our social media.
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